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Carb Ice - Bad Result
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Sterling SilverMay 16, 2017, 7:03am
Well, today (May 15) I made my first flight since October when I moved to my hangar. It turned out to be a short one.

It was a beautiful day; morning temp. in the mid 70's, blue sky with some puffy clouds for contrast, slight breeze out of the east. I had been doing some touch up on a few small items and replaced the fuel lines over the week end. I had drained the left tank so it took all of the 100LL from the can in the hangar. Because it had been so long since my last flight I got out the HKS manual and reviewed the different temperature minis and maxes. For the same reason, I did a second pre-flight inspection before towing The Flag out to the grass strip. My taxi way is so rough that I thought it might be better for the plane to be as light as possible while bumping over the pasture.

I forgot to turn on the GoPro!?!?

It took about 5 minutes or so (seems longer when doing it) for the oil temp and CHTs to come up to minimums and then after a "mag check" and static full throttle it was release the brake and here we go. Used the south half of the strip and cleared the trees just fine; turned a little to the left to be over the state highway in case I needed it.

About 1/4 mile from lift off I was at about 200 ft. and I saw that the RPM was only about 5800 and decreasing. I started a left 180 degree turn back to the north, away from the railroad overpass and toward open highway. I thought I was going to catch the tops of the pine trees before I got back over the highway ROW; the RPM was down to 4850. The engine kind of burped and the RPM went to something over 5000 for a few seconds before slowing again. The engine kept running in the low 4,000s as I cleared one set of power lines and went under a second set of wires. A pickup about to pull out from the only store remaining in Hull, Texas, did not pull out, thank goodness. I landed a little hard on the left wheel just at the point where the highway becomes 4 lanes for a few hundred yards. I taxied up to the paved area between the northbound and southbound lanes and turned perpendicular to the lanes. The Flag just fit between the traffic lanes.

From the way that the power gradually declined, recovered momentarily and then declined again, I think carb ice was the problem. I am attaching a picture of the result of the hard landing. I didn't look for any damage because I didn't think the landing was particularly bad. I very well might have had too much air in the tires and therefore no shock absorption. I taxied back to the driveway for the propane company where I used to keep The Flag (about 150 yards) and I drove right up to the gate. I had to shut down and jockey the plane through the 18ft. wide gate, but then I walked to my house, came back with the tractor and mowed a narrow strip from the propane yard to the south end of my grass strip. Then, I just towed the plane back to the hangar.

This was actually a good ending for the situation in which I found myself.

Aug. 7: I read my report again and there is a mistake. I landed hard on the right wheel, not the left. The break is on the left. The right gear tube is bent and that force would have put a tension load on the left tube.


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Bert
PUFFMay 16, 2017, 12:26pm
could have been much worse....
fiebichpvMay 16, 2017, 12:28pm
What type/brand of carb does the HKS have? I have some concerns about whether or not you had carb ice, the conditions you describe don't seem to be right for icing. You might want to check for other causes of the engine losing RPM.

The location of the break in the frame tube is very similar to where mine broke several years ago. I repaired it by dropping a steel rod in the tube then welding the cleaned-up joint and made several rosette welds to attach the tube to the rod. I also added a triangular brace (just in case).

Glad you landed safely. Thanks for sharing your situation.

Paul Fiebich
texasbuzzardMay 16, 2017, 1:27pm
Paul the HKS run a variable venturi carb which has a butterfly throttle plate. these carbs can ice but as you said the conditions might not apply unless the humidity was high. Bert I am glad you had a safe landing. the fix is fairly easy.

monte
aeronutMay 16, 2017, 3:28pm
I also am happy that you managed the situation well and were able to minimize the damage. Good job! Icing can occur at that temperature but you need the humidity also.
never surrender; never give-up
Sterling SilverMay 16, 2017, 5:49pm
Quoted from fiebichpv What type/brand of carb does the HKS have? I have some concerns about whether or not you had carb ice, the conditions you describe don't seem to be right for icing. You might want to check for other causes of the engine losing RPM.

The location of the break in the frame tube is very similar to where mine broke several years ago. I repaired it by dropping a steel rod in the tube then welding the cleaned-up joint and made several rosette welds to attach the tube to the rod. I also added a triangular brace (just in case).

Glad you landed safely. Thanks for sharing your situation.

Paul Fiebich


Thanks.

The reasons that I suspect carb ice are:
1. HKS is prone to carb ice. (The electric carb heat attachments are $150 each.)
2. The humidity was (is) high, even though the day was nice. Unless in the shade, I was sweating pretty quickly.
3. I have had some issues with carb ice on summer days, but never lost more than a couple hundred rpm.

I am going to see if I can find evidence of another cause, then tie The Flag to a tree and test for issues. Vamos a ver.
Bert
Sterling SilverMay 18, 2017, 1:47am
The tube repair might be just like the ones on the lower longerons at the tail - inside sleeve with rosette welds.  I am concerned that the top section of the tube might not be long enough for a proper splice. I checked my old 43.13 to see how much room is required above the break; I'll measure the tube in the morning.

I found the comments about the repairability encouraging. Thank ya'll. (Texan for "you guys".)  
Bert
radfordcMay 25, 2017, 2:54pm
70 degrees ambient temperature can put you right in the middle of the "serious icing" zone.

http://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/systems/carb-ice/
Kaliche KidJune 22, 2017, 6:59pm
Quoted from radfordc 70 degrees ambient temperature can put you right in the middle of the "serious icing" zone.

http://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/systems/carb-ice/


This article was referenced by texasbuzzard in the thread Fog Flight by fiebichpv. I found it very interesting. I thought this would be a good thread to link to it as well.

https://www.cps-parts.com/cps/pdf/Part44.pdf
Abraham
Sterling SilverJune 24, 2017, 2:04am
Quoted from Kaliche Kid

This article was referenced by texasbuzzard in the thread Fog Flight by fiebichpv. I found it very interesting. I thought this would be a good thread to link to it as well.

https://www.cps-parts.com/cps/pdf/Part44.pdf


Good idea.
Thanks.
Bert
Sterling SilverAugust 1, 2017, 8:47pm
I have the right gear leg straightened and back on The Flag. FWIW, it took 80 tons to straighten the gear tube. Probably not a job for a Harbor Freight press.

Now to acetylene weld the fuselage tube. I will burn more gas and rods practicing than finally welding the fuselage, but that is all part of the repair.  

The heat index has been over 100F every afternoon for a couple of weeks. Sunday afternoon it was 106F. Yesterday and today have been tolerable for outside work, so there has been some progress; just a little, but at least some.
Bert